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| Author: | PeterF [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Sources for exotic binding |
Any recommendations on where to get spalted maple or curly koa binding from? Preferably in Europe if possible. |
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| Author: | Chameleon [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
PeterF wrote: Any recommendations on where to get spalted maple or curly koa binding from? Preferably in Europe if possible. I would cut it myself, except that I don't know that you would save much on the koa, being ridiculously expensive. Somebody here has some links to get that. Spalted maple on the other hand... Why? I would suspect bending rotten wood to be fairly difficult as well as cutting a strip that produces the kind of effect you want. I could be wrong though. I've never seen it used for binding. I would get flamed maple and dye it tan rather than pay for koa. I never feel good about using wood from threatened species. Plenty of beautiful woods that are not so rare. How bout claro walnut? |
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| Author: | PeterF [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Good idea on cutting it myself. I could get some B+S sets. Chameleon wrote: Spalted maple on the other hand... Why? I would suspect bending rotten wood to be fairly difficult as well as cutting a strip that produces the kind of effect you want. I could be wrong though. I've never seen it used for binding. As for spalted maple, here's why:  Pederson guitar, btw |
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
that spalted is sweet!!! If you find some that good, buy it!!! |
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| Author: | Joe Beaver [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
I'm looking closer and I'm not sure that is really spalted. Maybe I've just never seen any from the UK. |
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| Author: | jeff crisp [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Joe Beaver wrote: I'm looking closer and I'm not sure that is really spalted. I was wondering the same thing. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
KevinLPederson wrote: Here are a couple pics of the segmented binding. This binding was probably one of the single most difficult things I've done. It will get more manageable to do with future times. Here's the build thread for that guitar over on AGF. Kevin's work is absolutely exquisite. I just think he's taking the stained glass rosette concept and taking it to another level entirely. |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Indeed, I've never seen spalting like that before. Definitely a rare pattern, but it looks great. I also love "regular" spalted maple. Here's an awesome harp guitar by Don Sharp with it: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212142&page=15 I think he said he was never working with it again due to the difficulty, though. I did this one with spalted maple back/sides Attachment: BackAngle2.jpg The sides did fracture a bit in bending, but I can probably do better next time. I eventually figured out that what it wanted is high heat, and a fully saturated paper towel on the hot pipe. But then it's flatsawn so the water made it want to cup, so I had to press it onto the pipe with a wood block to prevent that ![[headinwall]](./images/smilies/headbangwalluf8.gif "Mad") I found that board at a local wood store. Already sanded to 1/4" thick, so it wasn't too terribly time consuming or wasteful to thin it down by hand, plus that meant I could saw bindings from the edge of it. The best spalting was in the middle, and I used that on the sides, but the bindings still have some color. Attachment: SpaltMapleBindings.jpg If you want, I could keep an eye out for more good boards out there, and mail over a couple 3 foot by 5 inch or so pieces for you to cut strips off of. Probably wouldn't be worth the price sending just a few strips... plus who knows how many you'll need, if they're really hard to bend. |
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| Author: | PeterF [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
James Orr wrote: KevinLPederson wrote: Here are a couple pics of the segmented binding. This binding was probably one of the single most difficult things I've done. It will get more manageable to do with future times. Here's the build thread for that guitar over on AGF. Kevin's work is absolutely exquisite. I just think he's taking the stained glass rosette concept and taking it to another level entirely. No, surely that's impossible   !! But I was wondering what he meant by segmented binding. Wouldn't it just fall apart when heated to bend?Dennis, I love that harp guitar. I've actually found a source for spalted wood over here, but thanks for the offer. http://tonewood.rs/?cat=6 |
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| Author: | mkellyvrod [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Peter, whatever it is, it looks great!!! The rosette is outstanding. Dennis, love your guitar. |
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| Author: | PeterF [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
mkellyvrod wrote: Peter, whatever it is, it looks great!!! The rosette is outstanding. Dennis, love your guitar. I didn't make it - it's a Pederson guitar. Wish I could, though... |
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| Author: | PeterF [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Ok, it's official (from the AGF): KevinLPederson wrote: Thanks PeterF - The segmented binding is put together very similar to the segmented rosettes. Now my mind is blown! 
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| Author: | ernie [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Dennis did you get the spalted syc from metro ? nice pattern |
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| Author: | John Arnold [ Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Good spalted wood is not 'rotten'. In order to be suitable for acoustic guitars, it should be such that the strength is not compromised significantly. Spalted hackberry: 
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| Author: | Chameleon [ Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Only certain spalting fungi do not damage the wood... much. All of them are a form of decay which happens on dead, dying or extremely stressed trees. I knew the binding in that picture couldn't be spalted wood. First of all spalt mostly runs in the direction of the grain, not crossways like shown, second it's way too consistent, and third the lines don't look right. On real spalt the lines are solid black and look a bit like lightning. Beautiful guitar, and so is that one with spalted back and sides. Not knocking the great work. But for binding? I'd love to see someone find a way to make it work. Crosscutting may be possible, probably have to use a ton of little broken pieces like you would with shell. |
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| Author: | ZekeM [ Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
I've thought of doing spalled bindings myself. Finding wood that is spalted but stable enough to cooperate would be a very daunting task. I feel you would break quite a few in the search. But if you like the look, as I do, spalted purflings are fantastic and if try break a little along the way it won't hurt anything. You can just fill the cracks, much like with radial purfs. |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Dennis, your guitar is really handsome! Steve |
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| Author: | D. Ramsey [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Hey John have you built a guitar with spalted Hackberry? I have a bunch but wasn't sure what to use it for. |
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| Author: | turmite [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sources for exotic binding |
Guys I am no luthier but I have done tons of furniture touch up including working on the finish on a $70,000 Bösendorfer piano, and that price was back in 1987! Scared the .... well it was scary scraping on that finish. Anyway, the binding shown on this guitar looks to me like is either airbrushed by a true airbrush artist or, all the little lines are brushed in with a very fine touch up brush using a transparent colorant that will give a 3 dimensional appearance. If you go to the linked site and look closely at all the photos you will find where some of those lines weave over and under other lines. I have never seen weaving of spalt. You will also notice that some of the little brown lines do not extend all the way to the edge of the binding, indicating it was applied after the guitar was bound. As Filippo mentioned, it could also be wood burning, but again, if so, it was done by a very experienced artist. Mike ps for your spalted viewing pleasure.......and you can make your own http://www.northernspalting.com/ |
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